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Posts: 897 01/15/09 20:49:02	I guess depression puts me back into a new old low. After nearly three years of therapy, this is where I return back to???? I am not well and many of you know that and send me supportive messages. I do get them and read them. No, I do not reply back to you because I really do not know what to say. Many of you ask if I am back in the church or if I am out for good. I guess my answer is both; I am back singing in the choir but it is hard, dysfunctional and triggering. Why am I there? Please, please, please ask God for me because I have yet to figure it all for myself. I do enjoy my friends and for me right now, that is probably more important than what I am doing there. I hope that in the next few months, I can figure out where to go or why I am still there. Overall, it is both good and bad and I think that is just the way that it will have to be. To honor myself and you all...and the adult victims out there like me, I have made a choice to share my story with you all for two reasons: It happened, and it should not have. I want you all to be able to read my journey through the complaint process and see what it takes to make it through and get your abuser away from you. I hope that you keep in mind that all situations are different and that this is the way my situation turned out. Even today, there is no closure and it is going to be the third year coming up in February. My police complaint is still open...and so is my soul. I will try to use the emails that I have on hand and post them in a manner that will not get me sued. Even if I make a mistake or get out of control, I am so mentally-ill right now that I doubt it would make a huge impact in my life if I was served papers for upsetting the Bishop or the Church. In all honesty, it might make my "un-conversion" possible and healthier. Oh, not that I hope for that. What I really hope for is what I had before all of this insanity came my way; I would like peace and rest back into my life, and my days without one hundred triggers. I would like to read my bible without crying and maybe, just maybe, pray like I use to. I miss many things. So, to start my story I will move back and forth always from this email, the last one sent to me, from my abuser. Notice that the hotmail address is there. I really don't know if it is active and I don't care. If it is, I hope you can direct some of your rage and anger towards him because I really no longer care about is cowardness and priestly status. No one else cares so neither will I. Sorry about triggers and poor editing and typing; I am at bottom right now and need to kee myself safe. I do feel that releasing this informaton may save someone the hellish nightmare that I walked through, and make it easier for them to walk through the complaint process with their eyes wide open and their heart a bit more guarded than mine. To all of you that I dealing with your bishops and outreach staffers in diocesan offices all across this nation, read up on the process and understand that THE CHURCH IS NOT THERE FOR YOU, but you are there for you and you will need to advocate for yourself. The church sees you as money problem and nothing more and nothing less than that. You are a resource drain and a business loss. If you want to survice the complaint process, then know what you want and what you are willing do to to get it. It may mean lossing your parish, your friends and your family. It may mean loosing everything. It should not, and God help you if your feel this way, cost you your life. I attempted this who process and made three suicide attempts all with the hope that I could end my suffering and humiliation by death. I now know, that I can end my suffering and humiliation by SHARING THE TRUTH OF MY EXPERIENCE, all with the hope that God will take great pity on me and grant me the grace to hold those accountable, forgive and move on. All only in the order that glorifies God. Until then, I will share with you my story and hope that you can take courage and do what you must do. My the Spirit grant us all peace and may the Church come to terms with the lives that it has raped, molested and rejected, and the people of faith that it has destroyed, all under Jesus' Holy Name. ---Kelly Mathews Marquette, MI From: "Roy Joseph" royjmkAThotmailDOTcom To: plannerATupDOTnet Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 12:00 PM >>> > Hi Kelli, Greetings. How you are doing.> > Why you are very angry with me.> > I am sorry if have hurted you in any way.> > God bless you Roy Marquette Diocese Clergy Watch http://www.marquettedioceseclergywatch.org/ Contact:906-362-2602 U.P.MDCW Survivor Support Group meetings now active. All are welcome. MDCW P.O. Box 45 Marquette, MI 49855 Last Edited By: rice55 01/18/09 21:58:21. Edited 2 times.
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Posts: 898 01/18/09 21:47:14	I come forward and met with the Bishop one week on a Friday before th Sunday in this email. I am ignored as my abuser is not even told not to have contact with me. I am already offered therapy by Larry Ziomkowski two weeks prior when I made contact with Larry. He was the first person whom I made the complaint to. I meet with Bishpp Sample the following week on a Friday. We meet (Larry, Bishop Sample and I) in Bishop Sample's office. Larry is the Director of Catholic Charities in the U.P. of Michigan, in Marquette. My therapist bacomes Linda Kearney at Catholic Charities in Marquette. Lesson number one: you are not taken seriously. (*My email to Bishop Sample, below.) I am very upset and in a panic due to the fact that the priest is asking people in my parish where do I live and how can he get there. He is aksing for directions to that he can stop by and visit which is in another email. I later call Larry Ziomkowski before I sent the Bishop this email. I keep screaming at Larry on the phone and cursing. Larry tells me to tell the Bishop and keep going (through this process). He is trying to be supportive. After that phone call, I get my first nose bleed. Weeks before this, I made a phone call to the victim coordinator, Rosalyn Groves (before my rape) to ask her who was on the Review Board. She would NOT tell me. I asked her how was I to make a complaint if I did not know who was on the Review Board? She provided that the Review Board is private and only ANSWERS TO THE BISHOP. She also became dismissive when she learned that I was over 18, a question that she asked me during the conversation. Rosalyn later (which she told me) said that she never thought an adult could be a victim. This will be the same person that I learn more about as the years pass and I come in contact with other victims who have gone through Rosalyn and the diocese. I did not trust Rosalyn and never told her who I was on the phone. Weeks prior to the rape, I also try and talk to Deacon Warren Vonck, which only brought me into tears. I never could tell him anything was "wrong." I blamed my tears on a cold that I was having. I never told Warren that he was the first person that I thought of talking to...I regret not being able to trust him. I was neck deep into lesgislative work and back in college at this time in my life...and homeschooling my kids. I also held positions on three community boards, and was a board member and treasurer to a 501c3 corp. In the email below, I mention that I am ill-prepared to go through this every single Sunday. What I am freaking out about is that Fr. Roy physically pulled a tie on the back of my dress the weekend before at a local cafe and mocked me in front of others to make a point that I was powerless and had no way to defend myself against him. It brought me out of hiding and out of frozen/fear mode and made me think of my children and my safety. ( In therapy, I find out that this was a way of the abuser showing ownership and terrorizing the victim in a social setting. It was is instill silence.) I spoke to Bishop Sample in the afternoon on March 9, 2006, if correct. Two weeks before, I was immediately placed into trauma therapy and was experiencing PTSD, still new to me yet. I was still terrified and kept thinking that I would "wake up." I also kept thinking that Fr. Roy was coming over to my house, a state of fear that I still have intense recall/flashback problems with. I have not met Director of Priest Personell, Steve Lynott, yet. It will be months before our first contact. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kelly Mathews" plannerATupDOTnet To: "Alex" asampleATdioceseofmarquetteDOTorg Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 4:56 PM Subject: Earthkeepers/Kelly Mathews >> *****************> *****************> *****************> *******************> IMPORTANT> do not reply to this EMAIL,> REPLY TO yeldogriverAThotmailDOTcom or call [edit phone number]> I am ILL PREPARED to keep going through this every single SUNDAY!(he writes> to me at 12:00 p.m.)>> Why am I the first thing on his mind after returning from mass?>> THIS IS SICKENING. I am a target and I want THIS TO STOP!>> I have my algebra and a paper to finish...>> NOW I HAVE TO HAVE THIS IN MY HEAD!!! I HAVE AN ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENTTO> REVIEW! I HAVE TO PROVIDE PUBLIC COMMENT FOR AN UPCOMING HEARING!!!...IHAVE> CRITICAL MEETINGS MONDAY THAT WILL AFFECT THIS COMMUNITY. I ABSOLUTELY> POSITIVELY CAN NOT HANDLE THIS AND IT IS TEARING ME APART!!!>> PLEASE Contact me by Tuesday noon, if not before..>> Kelly Mathews> [edit third party contact information] Marquette Diocese Clergy Watch http://www.marquettedioceseclergywatch.org/ Contact:906-362-2602 U.P.MDCW Survivor Support Group meetings now active. All are welcome. MDCW P.O. Box 45 Marquette, MI 49855 Last Edited By: rice55 01/18/09 21:55:41. Edited 2 times.
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Posts: 899 01/18/09 22:01:36	Find my perp: Name: Roy Joseph (no other names that the DIOCESE knew of) D.O.B.: February 10, 1967 Ord. Date: April 21, 1994 Religious Community: Missionary Society of St. Thomas the Apostle (MST) Kerala, India Marquette Diocese Clergy Watch http://www.marquettedioceseclergywatch.org/ Contact:906-362-2602 U.P.MDCW Survivor Support Group meetings now active. All are welcome. MDCW P.O. Box 45 Marquette, MI 49855
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Posts: 901 01/29/09 11:20:56	My response to another clergy abuse survivor this morning. Question: Why won't anyone who knows something speak out? They wouldn't know how to speak out. Honestly, if you think about it, the priests tell the parish what to do and how to do it. The priest (or bishop) doesn't stand there are say, "we should all go to the police if you think or know that a crime has been commited." No one preaches that justice requires "just action" and that proteting the vulnerable means "calling out evil when you see it." No bishop has sited his own declaration on crime and punishment because they have no self-interest in learning that justice and wisdon requires "just action." There is no greater lessen to me than Jesus turning over those tables and telling those money changers to get out if His father's house. There was time for "just action." Jesus said to them "get out." But it is more than just what he did and how he did it. He used is power and authority to proclaim justice for those who were vulnerable to the money exchangers and market people selling God for profit and acting injustly to those who did not know any better. Jesus not only spoke but made a JUST ACTION and physically proclaimed that is was just to act. Now, we have an example of bishops behaving too recklessly and unjustly, and no one is telling them to "get out" as Jesus did. I see this story as being too important to what has happened since Boston. Millions have been paid to victims and still the money changers who sit in the Church exchange their moral corruption for the laity's money. The laity, knowing that justice is not being served, and not knowing the full extent of the bishop's responsibilties, are taken advantage of, all over the lives of molested and raped people. Jesus would simple say to the bishops, "get out, for you have made a mockery of my Father's house." If the laity could believe in the word of Jesus over the morally damage and distructive duplicity that the Church is TEACHING right now, I do believe that it would make a difference. Right now, the laity feel powerless because the church has kept them in the dark about justice and action. It is just to break the code of silence. It is just to go to the police and file a witness report. It is just to make a declaration of truth as a witness. It is just to provide information that may lead to the prosecution of a criminal. It is just to overturn the tables and tell the "lies, deceit and darkness of fear and pastoral intimidation to get out of the Church." Why...because Christ has stated to love God above all else, and to love our neighbor as ourselves. Church employees who choose anything less than the truth are outside of the mission of the Church, and are commiting a mortal sin. http://php.ug.cs.usyd.edu...20Jeremiah&verse=7:11&src http://php.ug.cs.usyd.edu...=%20Isaiah&verse=56:7&src http://en.wikipedia.org/w...us_and_the_money_changers http://php.ug.cs.usyd.edu...=%20Psalms&verse=69:9&src Sorry to read about L.A. again... As usual, anyone is wecome to expand on these comments and/or use, foward at will. Kelly Marquette, MI Marquette Diocese Clergy Watch http://www.marquettedioceseclergywatch.org/ Contact:906-362-2602 U.P.MDCW Survivor Support Group meetings now active. All are welcome. MDCW P.O. Box 45 Marquette, MI 49855
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rice55		#225	[url]	[-]
Posts: 902 01/29/09 11:41:09	Lesson number two: when you do come forward, prepare for the fear to eat you alive. After coming forward and speaking with Bishop sample on March 9, 2006, I experienced two things. The truth that the trauma was eating me alive and that the memory of the assault kept rearing up inside me and confusing every thought and action that I tried to do or make. I have learned since then that is is normal for intrusive thoughts to drain away the energy of the brain and that for the memory to come back in broken frames and segments, and be all mixed up, while recalling the emotions. For example, I may recall what was done to me in complete detail but my emotional state will be that of unawareness or numbing. The emotional state will come back as a body memory (fear, terror, intense anger). The body memory will over-ride the brain and distort how you are "feeling" during a conversation with someone. This "tirggering" will then set off a cascade effect in the body and produce all kinds of "raw" or unfiltered memories that have not been put in rational order or placed in the correct area of the brain. Tirggering and PTSD is free-flowing memory that has not been properly contained by the body. Bishop Sample and I agree that Fr. Roy will be talked to, and that Bishop will contact me as soon as he talks to Roy that day. Bishop is very busy with his new position from diocesan priest to Bishop on January 25, 2006. I for some reason care about bothering him, which now I so laugh at. Bishop does deplay in getting back to me. I am resting at my mother-in-law's house when Bishop does call me back. I feel that the conversation concludes as to only buy some time for the Bishop. He needs more information, which deeply angers me; in other words, my word is not good enough. There needs to be more proof of situation. I hang up from the call. As perhaps expected, Fr. Roy gave the Bishop a diffrent accounting of what happened. I am re-triggered and deeply angered. I feel completely helpless about the situation and feel like stopping from moving forward in the complaint process. I run down the hall and vomit in the toilet. I convince myself that it is not worth the time or energy and that I will not do anything more about Fr. Roy. I am exhausted from the triggering and anger. I consider calling the police but now know that the priest has told a "confusing" story to the Bishop and that no one will believe me. I feel hopeless, powerless and deeply ashamed that I have not the courage to move forward. I can't think straight. I really can't and I am confused on what to do. A few hours later, I now am in terror as I know that Fr. Roy is in town and now knows that I have went to the Bishop. My fear traps me all night as I stay awake at my home and sit in a chair until dawn. I am frozen in fear and self-doubt. I know that I am very alone and feel that no one will do anything to help me. My mind is firing all night long and by morning I am sick to my stomach. So far, no one, not anyone except for Larry Ziomkowski, Bishop Sample and Fr. Roy know that I have come foward. At least that is what I am aware of. Marquette Diocese Clergy Watch http://www.marquettedioceseclergywatch.org/ Contact:906-362-2602 U.P.MDCW Survivor Support Group meetings now active. All are welcome. MDCW P.O. Box 45 Marquette, MI 49855 Last Edited By: rice55 01/29/09 15:33:45. Edited 2 times.
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Posts: 903 01/29/09 11:46:36	"Kelly Mathews" 03/22/2006 01:56 PM To asampleATdioceseofmarquetteDOTorg cc Subject RE: Earthkeepers I can only imagine how busy you are... Have you spoken to him? Marquette Diocese Clergy Watch http://www.marquettedioceseclergywatch.org/ Contact:906-362-2602 U.P.MDCW Survivor Support Group meetings now active. All are welcome. MDCW P.O. Box 45 Marquette, MI 49855
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Posts: 904 02/01/09 17:45:06	I woke up and drove staright to town a few days later. I went down to the diocesan office and rode the elevator up to the top of the Well's Fargo Bank Building. I spoke to the receptionist, Andrea, that I had left a piece of paper in Bishop's office the last time that I was in, and that it was very importent, and that I needed to look for it. I kept saying how sorry I was and that I knew the bishop was busy, but could she call him and ask him if he had seen it. She called and I could here the phone ring down the hall. Bishop told her to bring me down. (I was in his office a short time earlier due to another project that I was working on. I had met him with two other women about a week earlier.) I walked right into the office and explained my bold face lie to him. He followed my lead and started (acting) to look for my missing paper. We both moved to a different pile of papers fixed on fiding the "missing" item. Bishop Sample then motioned to the receptionist that he had everything until control and ushed her out. He then shut the door. We both then, when the same expression on eachother's faces, moved positions; he behind his desk and me in front. We both sat and sighed. I started right away by saying that I was sorry for the lie but I needed him to understand that I thought that he was going to talk to Fr. Roy. I kept raising me voice and then saying sorry for raising my voice. I asked what was wrong with (the bishop) that he had not talked with Fr. Roy. I was ashamed that I was raisig my voice and getting upset at him. I kept telling bishop that he had a real rpoblem here and that he needed to act. I started to cry and looked away. I stared out of the window and saw the red roof of the Cathedral in the distance. It is only now that what was going on in my head is that I was terrified and did not know who to trust or what to do, and that I was scared for my safety. I kept playing with my daughter's necklace around my neck. I kept thinking how wrong I was to raise my voice to the bishop. I kept thinking that was wrong and I must be so bad in doing that. Bishop and I agreed that I would bring him some emails and he would come down and get them on the main parking level. He would also talk to Fr. Roy and call me. We both had to talk fast as me being there would bring too much attention to both me and bishop. The receptionist on the way out asked me if I had found my paper. I told her no. I always wondered what bishop told her. I drove away and stopped at the cathdral to pray in the chapel. I was such a 'good catholic woman'. What a fool. Marquette Diocese Clergy Watch http://www.marquettedioceseclergywatch.org/ Contact:906-362-2602 U.P.MDCW Survivor Support Group meetings now active. All are welcome. MDCW P.O. Box 45 Marquette, MI 49855
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rice55		#228	[url]	[-]
Posts: 905 02/03/09 05:50:55	Diocese does not list all priests currently "on leave" as before. Last Edited By: rice55 02/03/09 05:58:21. Edited 2 times.
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Posts: 906 02/16/09 21:07:51	http://www.marquettedioceseclergywatch.org/blog.php Let My Prayer Rise Before You February 14th, 2009, 8:53AM February 14, 2008, To All Survivors, Family, SNAP, Bishops, Church Employees, and Laity, A few of you have been wondering what has been going on behind the scenes since I have been so quiet. First off, rest assured, things have not been quiet for me and my soul. Yesterday was another day of wading through the sepsis of triggers and setting down the weight of the world of mental illness. For you that are looking for a constructive book as to why that you can't figure out why the memories are slowly killing you, I recommend "Who Switched Off My Brain" by Dr. Caroline Leaf, a just published straight forward book as to why the brain system gets all twisted up in one big knot and how to try and detangle the mess. I need to go back to February 4, 2009 at 3:30 in the afternoon after I left Director of Priest Personnel for the Diocese of Marquette Steve Lynott's office on the diocesan chancery floor. _____________ see post...
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Posts: 907 02/17/09 20:43:55	"Priests on leave" page is updated...thanks, Mr. Lynott. Marquette Diocese Clergy Watch http://www.marquettedioceseclergywatch.org/ Contact:906-362-2602 U.P.MDCW Survivor Support Group meetings now active. All are welcome. MDCW P.O. Box 45 Marquette, MI 49855
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Posts: 908 02/21/09 13:17:17	Site has been changed until things can be resolved. Things have taken a legal turn. Anyone can reach me at.... Marquette Diocese Clergy Watch http://www.marquettedioceseclergywatch.org/ Contact:906-362-2602 U.P.MDCW Survivor Support Group meetings now active. All are welcome. MDCW P.O. Box 45 Marquette, MI 49855
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Believer4		#232	[url]	[-]
Posts: 543 02/21/09 14:47:55	Rice55 Have you reported your abuse to any law enforcement agency? Believer4 Dick Regan
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rice55		#233	[url]	[-]
Posts: 909 02/21/09 17:29:03	yes, dick...investigation is still "open"...as of January, the PA had ask that the bishop be interviewed. I reported...ready people, in June of 2007 and pushed the issue last summer AGAIN. Investigation still OPEN. Tell me that my case is not being used for some other purpose...???? I will private message you off board for an update. ************************* By the way, I have an intersted party who is looking for any data/document that includes St. Lukes info/therapy follow-up or diocesan letter head with a St. Luke's reference. Last Edited By: rice55 02/21/09 17:33:14. Edited 1 time.
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Posts: 910 02/22/09 08:59:09	February 20, 2009 marked the final and last three year statute regarding any civil right for me to do anything. In the final hour, my lawyer filed a lawsuit against Bishop Sample when negotiations toward a settlement stalled in the final minutes of the day. A suit was then filed. By Tuesday of next week, an agreement was reached between myself and the diocese. I begged to negotiate right up to the case filing. Case file number: 46539 CZ Kelly Mathews vs Catholic Church, Catholic Church Diocese of Marquette, Bishop Sample, Fr. Roy Joseph, Linda Carney That same week, a Detective from the Marquette City Police interviewed Bishop Sample concerning my case against Fr. Roy Joseph, M.S.T. As the Director of Priest Personnel Steve Lynott told me..., "It's just business." Folks, people, victims and survivors...after Boston, after 2002, after the Pope... after years and years of your suffering... after rapes and soul mudering... IT'S JUST BUSINESS!! And lest you nor anyone else ever forget... it's just business. Amen. Last Edited By: rice55 02/28/09 21:59:53. Edited 6 times.
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Posts: 911 02/28/09 21:57:39	"My first concern must always be for the victims/survivors of abuse, and I pledge to do everything in my power to help them on their journey toward healing and peace."---Bishop Sample, Diocese of Marquette, media release statement, October 27, 2008
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Posts: 912 02/28/09 22:01:07	and I still have an open police complaint in the City of Marquette....this stinks. Live and learn. Marquette Diocese Clergy Watch http://www.marquettedioceseclergywatch.org/ Contact:906-362-2602 U.P.MDCW Survivor Support Group meetings now active. All are welcome. MDCW P.O. Box 45 Marquette, MI 49855
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Posts: 913 03/05/09 18:59:07	February 22, 2009 Marquette City Police Department Dear Detective Snowaert, I ask you to verify is this information to see if it matches your records of employment and INS information provided to you by the Diocese of Marquette regarding Father Roy Joseph, M.S.T. Father Roy Joseph was dismissed from employment with the diocese in May of 2006 following a complaint of sexual misconduct, as you are aware. In May of 2006, Bishop Alexander Sample emailed me with information stating the name, ordination date and birth date of Father Roy Joseph. This was when Fr. Roy allegedly as reported to me by Bishop Sample fled to the State of Wisconsin. No last name of Fr. Roy Joseph was provided to me in Bishop's emails. The birth date that was provided to me by Bishop Sample was incorrect. [See attached emails received and sent from Bishop Sample in 2006, provided only to the police.] I wish to provide the correct information so that there is a semblance of truth regarding this matter. This information is: Father Roy Joseph, a.k.a, Mookenthottam Kurian Melukavmattam. Kurian's birth date is 9-26-66. Mookenthottam is his family name. Bishop Sample had provided me with the birth date as 2-10-66. This information is verifiable from diocesan records located in India. Kurian's information was located by me. If you have any information that would be beneficial to me in locating Kurian, I would appreciate your assistance. Respectfully, Kelly Mathews 289A County Rd 550 Marquette, MI 49855 906.362.2602 Cc Detective Steve Snowaert, Marquette City Police Department Detective Jeff Johnston, Michigan State Police Department Gary Walker, Marquette County Prosecuting Attorney Marquette Diocese Clergy Watch http://www.marquettedioceseclergywatch.org/ Contact:906-362-2602 U.P.MDCW Survivor Support Group meetings now active. All are welcome. MDCW P.O. Box 45 Marquette, MI 49855
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Posts: 167 03/06/09 11:47:07	Hi Kelly, The, "It's just business" comment closely echoes what I heard from the Jesuit Provincial who negotiated my settlement. When I asked for a letter of apology from the priest who abused me -- which I would have preferred to money -- he said, "No. That's not how we handle these matters," adding a slap of his hand to the table for emphasis. While momentarily taken aback, I challenged him in reply by asking, "Are you saying that Jesuits sexual abuse of others is so common place, you can refer to it in the generic as 'these matters'?" His face turned a gratifying shade of red and he had no response. "These matters" or "It's just business" only reflects the fact these so-called men of God have completely forgotten their Founder's admonition that, "What ye do to the least (or who they think is the 'least') of those among ye, ye do also unto me." Real representatives of Jesus Christ do not refer to parishioners as "just business."
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rice55	my best advice	#239	[url]	[-]
Posts: 914 03/10/09 12:49:14	Kelly, I am going to meet with my bishop next week about my abuse...do you have any advice? Yes, I do. Go and buy a digital recorder and learn how to duct tape it to yourself.
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PegyJ		#240	[url]	[-]
Posts: 293 03/11/09 23:11:01	I couldn't agree more - oh how I wish I would have recorded my meeting with Bishop Jackels - after the meeting I called our attorney and told him some of the things Bishop Jackels said, - our attorney's response was 'You're joking right?' He really thought I was joking because of some of the things Bishop Jackels said were so outrageous, it didn't seem conceivable that a 'man of God' would say such things. Keep in mind our attorney had been working clergy abuse cases for 15 yrs plus so he had dealt with these guys and had never heard of some of the things Jackels said to us. Pope Benedict taught his protegee well - minimize, minimize and play the consensual game. Absolutely clueless when it came to damage control.
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